9/20/05 11:14 am
sadly, no! takes on Daniel Underwood, the ridiculously bad technician writer.
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/001780.html#trackback
9/20/05 10:23 am
I had an email exchange with an opinion writer at the technician, our school newspaper. Apparantly, the technician doesn't publish letters to the editor that are critical of the newspaper as a whole. Here is the exchange, if you agree with my point, feel free to email viewpoint@technicianonline.com and let them know:
*UPDATE: it seems that my letter to the editor was not published because it went to viewpoint@technicianonline.com instead of forum@technicianonline.com*
On Mon, September 19, 2005 4:28 pm, jseller@ncsu.edu wrote:
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> Subject: "Is stupid the new chic?"
> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:28:47 -0400 (EDT)
> From: jseller@ncsu.edu
> To: viewpoint@technicianonline.com
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> The technician needs to stop publishing opinion articles that use the
> straw-man rhetorical technique. This technique is a favorite of "writers"
> like Daniel Underwood and was most recently used by T. Greg Doucette in
> his article "Is stupid the new chic?" In case these writers are
> unwittingly using straw-man arguments, here are some examples from
> wikipedia of how one forms a straw-man argument:
> 1. Present the opponent's argument in weakened form, refute it, and
> pretend that the original has been refuted.
> 2. Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and
> pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
> 3. Present someone who defends a position poorly as the quintessential
> defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder
> of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
> 4. Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are
> criticised, and pretend that the person represents a group that the
> speaker is critical of.
> This applies to both "Is stupid the new chic?" and Underwood's articles
> "Abortion Photographs Depict A Grisly Reality" and "Campus kooks insult
> american courage and sacrifice" as well as others.
> The opinion section ought to be a platform for intelligent student
> discussion. Articles like these function as a platform from which some
> students can deride other student opinions, often without allowing them a
> chance to defend their opinions. Articles should not be published
> criticizing the unpublished opinions of other students. If Daniel
> Underwood or T. Greg Doucette can write an intelligent article detailing
> their opinion, then fine, publish it. If they want to respond to another
> published opinion, that's also fine. But if they are attempting to
> represent the opinions of other students so that they can criticize them,
> that is wrong. Allow those students to represent their own opinions in the
> technician opinion section (campus forum doesn't count), and then allow
> your writers to take a position against them. This way your readers can
> see all opinions, as presented by the people who hold these opinions, and
> decide for themselves. Anything less is unprofessional and a disservice to
> the student population.
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> -James Sellers
> MA in Linguistics
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Mr. Sellers,
I wanted to send a quick email to thank you for your response to my
column. I recognize you have an apparent distaste for it, but I
appreciate the feedback just the same.
While I have no intention of speaking for Underwood, I am curious as to
what portion of my column you regard as a strawman? I'm very familiar
with the logical fallacies and use them quite regularly when I want to
have fun with somebody in a verbal debate; I didn't think this particular
written piece qualified.
Just curious, feel free to elaborate if you're interested. And thanks again!
-Greg
Doucette,
This portion would qualify:
"Apparently one guy mistook me for a kindred spirit, deciding to strike up
a bull session to teach me the many evils of George W. Bush, Enemy of the
State. I was regaled with horrific tales of terrorist "abuse" in
Guantanamo, given a play-by-play of all the "lies" Bush personally
concocted to arm-twist helpless Congressmen into authorizing war in Iraq,
and so on and so on. At some point, the litany shifted to Karl and
Katrina, the GOP coup taking place right before my eyes.
The only problem with the "government response as partisan plot" line of
argument is that it makes absolutely no sense. The Republican Party was
already dismantling Democratic control in Louisiana for years, taking
two-thirds of the state Senate, six members of the state's nine-member
Congressional delegation and casting its electoral votes to the Republican
candidate in both 2000 and 2004. Republicans not only had little more to
gain by a Democrat exodus, but the mass influx into Baton Rouge threatens
one of those Republican Congressman while a similar surge into Houston
will produce solid Democratic control of that region in Texas -- facts
already noted by some Democrats hoping to boost morale (apparently Dr.
Dean doesn't have anyone at the DNC to coordinate talking points)."
What you're giving here is your interpretation of his opinion, which you
then easily refute. It is probably a weak version of his actual argument.
If the person's opinion is worth you taking up newspaper space refuting,
then isn't it also worth publishing in the newspaper so that he can speak
for himself? I know a lot of the people involved with radical rush week
and I haven't heard one of them say that the federal government's response
to Katrina was part of some intentional partisan plot. Usually, people
describe it as being badly handled because of priorities that don't focus
on helping poor people during catastrophes. Which leads me to believe that
you haven't given an accurate representation of his opinion. Who knows,
maybe you did, but that's sort of my point too. We don't have access to
his opinion as he would present it, so we can't say, thus he is only a
straw-man.
You then go on say that this person is representative of some "new
standard for civic discourse in America." So now this random person you
had a conversation with, whom your readers have no real access to, is
representative of some larger movement. He is certainly a poor apologist
for whatever movement he could be associated with, further contributing to
his straw-man status.
The main reason I consider this a straw-man argument is because the reader
has no access to this person's real opinion. You're criticizing an
unpublished opinion that the reader can't reference. The only access your
reader has to it is your interpretation of it, which is suspect at best.
I don't mean this as an attack on you, I've noticed a few articles
recently, mostly political, that have used this weak argument, yours just
happened to be the last straw, so to speak. In particular, the people
involved in radical rush week have been set up as straw-men several times.
If people are so interested in writing about them and their opinions, then
why not publish articles written by some of them stating those opinions?
Then your readers would have direct access to the original argument and
you could criticize it without being burdened with the task of
representing it for them. Sticking them in campus forum doesn't count.
-James Sellers
Here is an email I wrote to the Opinion Section editor:
Jason Eder,
I've read two opinion articles in the last week and a half that have been
critical of the people involved in radical rush week ('Campus kooks insult
american courage and sacrifice" and "Is stupid the new chic?"). If their
opinions are so compelling that they have motivated a response from two of
your opinion writers, why not publish the opinions of the radical rush
week participants? A summary of their opinons as represented by someone who
disagrees with them to begin with is not a reliable representation. It is
also unfair to allow your writers to use the student paper as a platform
from which they can attack the ideas of other students without allowing
the people who would defend those ideas an equal voice in the paper. If I
am wrong, and there has been a fair defense of their ideas published in
the paper, then please refer me to it. I know for a fact that they have
submitted an article defending themselves against Daniel Underwood. I was
told that it was not published because it exceeded 400 words, yet the
article they were responding to exceeded 700 words. I understand that the
opinions published in this section are not necessarily the opinions of the
technician, but it seems to me that if the technician is going to publish
opinions that are directly critical of opinions that other students hold,
the technician should allow those students the opportunity to defend
themselves in an equal format. Thank you for reading my rant.
-James Sellers
9/20/05 08:43 am
Drew sent me this in an email, it's pretty funny.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jzawodn/41530029/